Say what you want, I think they did a great job. It was the best performance of the night. Their acceptance speech made me smile, they were so excited. John Stewart is crazy, "You know what, I think it just got a little easier out here for a pimp." I couldn't stop laughing.
Ok, here's my two cents, a lot of people are all upset that they performed that song or whatever but you have to realize that even if you don't care for the song, it was appropriate for the movie that it represented. The whole movie was about a pimp, therefore the music featured in the movie is going to be about pimping. Just like if it were a movie about cats, I'm sure the music featured would be about cats. I don't like music about cats but I would understand why that type of music was used. I don't see what the problem is but whatever.Monday, March 06, 2006
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Anonymous
said...
Made you smile, about what? Their first grade teachers did a good job and the progression ended there? That was a mess. A Hot Ass Mess!
Anonymous
said...
Okay so it went with the movie you're right i have a problem though that the only time we (people of color) with the execption of JAmie Fox for Ray get an Oscar nod is when it is something that is derogatory towards our race, yes i did enjoy Hustle and flow but why document a pimp rise to a WOW rapper??? I mean it just makes it look like thats all we as a race have to offer we now have some control over what we make and the roles we take which a movie like this does have a place in hollywood i just don't think it should have been nominated i don't get it.
Anonymous
said...
If Eminem can get an Oscar for wack ass Lose Yourself from that even wacker 8Mile then I am all for Three 6 winning an Oscar for It's Hard out Here.
Anonymous
said...
I think they did a good job and Ludacris did a great job explaining and introducing him. It's sad that we have to explain things before a performance, but whatever. I'm glad they won to shut some people up! Way to go Three 6 Mafia!!!
Anonymous
said...
you know what.... im fuckin happy for them. im sick of hearing the bullshit saying that "its setting our race back 40 years" shut the hell up and quit complainng. be happy that we get something instead of nothing. always worried about what others think...FUCK THEM!!! i bet the 1's that say that shit are the same ones who bump them in the car or home.
Anonymous
said...
be happy you get something instead of nothing....seriously?
that's what some white people have been telling minorities for years and i think its sad that some of us have started to repeat that. I guess we should all just sit back and be happy with the images that we are allowed to portray instead of striving to represent all of the wonderful things we are. We should be happy to be thought of as pimps, hos, sluts, crooked cops, drug addicted and abusive individuals? maybe you are.
Anonymous
said...
SELL OUTS WAKE UP!! There are so many Uncle Toms still out here trying to please whitey and worried about how we look in front of them. Do you think white people care what we think of them?WHY DO YOU CARE WHAT THEY THINK OF YOU???? The fact that you're even concerned about it shows that all the "positive" things that black people have done over the course of history doesn't mean shit cause you're still a nigga in their eyes whether you have on a suit and tie or gold teeth and a pimp cup.
Candice
said...
I thought that was hilarious as well! "It just got a bit easier in here for a Pimp" was about the funniest line of the night!
Anonymous
said...
So it's all about fukkery and ignorance, huh? Then how come white people weren't worried about Johnny Knoxville in his "Asshole" days representing the white race in such a way when there's so much more beneath the surface? Whateva and thanks for making my point.
Anonymous
said...
Just like we did not care about Hits from the street. It was funny and it was on BET. We can relate to sistahs with ashy heels and bad weaves. It's one thing to be in your own element and just acting silly. Hits also crossed over to MTV's punked and managed to be just as funny without looking like a "yes suh" nigga. And look who thought it was funny, Candice, one of the above commenters, who looks awfully white to me. Maybe she is just a light skinned black girl.
Anonymous
said...
^That's an interesting point-but all I have to say is RICHARD PRYOR. That man CHANGED comedy without compromising his position and white people loved it just as much as blacks. But then again, he was probably "embarrasing" too, huh?
Anonymous
said...
He was married to a white woman and slapped the hell out of her before for using the N word, which he later took out of his acts. He later realized that we were not benefitting from his depiction of us.
Anonymous
said...
GO 'HEAD NEE!! RICHARD PRYOR DID STOP USING THE N WORD FOR A WHILE BUT IT DIDN'T LAST AND HIS SHOWS WERE STILL SOLD OUT. YALL ARE PLAYING RIGHT INTO THE WHITE MAN'S HAND BY TRYING TO CHANGE AND CONFORM EVERYONE. THE SONG WAS NOMINATED FOR WHAT IT IS AND IT WON FOR WHAT IT IS WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT. THERE ARE PIMPS OUT THERE AND THIS WAS THE STORY OF ONE. I DON'T SEE ANYONE BITCHING ABOUT HALLE BERRY SUCKING WHITE DICK TO GET HER OSCAR AND THAT WAS DAM SURE A WHOLE LOT MORE EMBARRASING THAN THIS.
Anonymous
said...
Nee seems to have hit a nerve and I agree with her. Nobody ever conforms for us but we've been conforming for 400 years and still don't get any respect so what's wrong with doing what we do? Her points are valid and its obviously making some people mad.
Anonymous
said...
I love 3-6 mafia and i'm glad they won the oscar it was the best interpretation of the movie in song. Excellent job!
Anonymous
said...
Nee, we know that's you trying to support yourself going in as anonymous. You have not hit a nerve, we are just trying to explain to you why we feel the way we do. That's up to you if you like entertainin Candice, the above white poster that found the performance so amusing. Ask her why. Was it the artistic value? That theory was thrown out the door when they could not complete an intelligent sentence if their lives depended on it. I don't blame Terrance, I would not have done that shit either.
Anonymous
said...
First of all, I went to grab lunch when I posted my last statement and just got back to my desk. I don't have to go "Anonymous"-I always post my name because I'm not ashamed to put it beside anything I type. If people agree with me they agree, if they don't they don't but I don't have to play games on the internet to garner support for my position but I'm glad to see that some people do. Second of all, it doesn't really matter anymore because they won but please feel free to tell all the white people you know that they really don't represent all black people because "I was embarrassed too"...LOL. Have a blessed day.
Anonymous
said...
You did all that and you were embarassed. Nee you are crazy. You put up a good fight!!!
Anonymous
said...
LOL..Honestly, there are some things we do that make me go, "huh"? but I din't see the performance and I've never even heard the song in it's entirety--but I just feel like the reason everyone was so upset about them performing wasn't the fact that they might give us some "huh"? moments but rather how it makes us look in front of whites when the latter shouldn't be an issue at all. I applaud them for being true to THEMSELVES in all their "huh"?ishness and f what anyone else says or thinks. And after all--they DID win...
Anonymous
said...
Yeah, that is definitely not debatable, they did win.
Anonymous
said...
It is really sad that as black people we just let the entertainment industry "pimp" us. Three 6 Mafia (or whatever had no business gettin' up there on stage actin' a damn fool in front of the entire world. The whole thing reminds me of times when Blackface was considered entertaining... I agree with comments made previously that stated that we have so much more to offer but yet intill we always seem to be protrayed as derogatory characters. And the song...don't even get me started. "It's hard pimpin'? Is this the best we can do?
Anonymous
said...
You are such a dumb ass to play into that shit. Why would a white person find this to be so artistic? Are you telling me they are 3-6 fans. Get the fuck out of here, JAYSMOM!
Anonymous
said...
Jaysmom--I'm SO glad you didn't post as "Anonymous" because someone would be swearing it's me trying to make it look like someone else is agreeing with me...LOL...
Anonymous
said...
DAMN:( I could only get thorugh its hard out here for a pimp. DAMN sista walking away with her head down
DAMN
Anonymous
said...
Oh bitch shut your fat ass up. We post as anonymous because we don't want to go through the 40 steps to get a log in I.D. But if it helps I'm Megan.
Anonymous
said...
I'm no big fan of 3-6 Mafia either but I see things for what they are. First off Hustle and Flow was financially backed by one our people. So thank Mr Singleton for helping this film to get made. The movie was about a pimp and they commissioned 3-6 Mafia to do some songs on the soundtrack since they were from Memphis. They did. They didn't ask to be nominated, perform and certainly not to win. They did and the song served it's purpose in that film. I personally wish they could have accepted the award with a little more grace and dignity and made a bold statement to folks watching that the song in no way represents who we are as a people. Can't fault them for winning but that acceptance speech etc was madness in my opinion. I definitely wish WE could have won best song for something else though...
Anonymous
said...
I'm just curious if all the people that are embarrassed by this have ever watched a Madea play or movie or ever watched "Martin" or basically anything that's on BET--talk about stereotypes...but somehow this one group and this performance has a lot of people H-O-T...LOL...
Anonymous
said...
If you were ignoring it sweetie, you would not have responded. And yet another stereotype. Because my name is Megan I have to be white? Meghan Good. Hello...............
Anonymous
said...
We have seen Tyler on Oprah, we have seen Martin in various interviews. We have seen more than on side of these people. Look how long it took Martin to regain his rep after standing in the street with the gun. He was the but of jokes for months. But he was able to redeem himself. And that's what it's all about.
Anonymous
said...
So Anon 4:48--what you're saying is that since Tyler was on Oprah and he is competent enough to complete a sentence then it's o.k. for him to portray a stereotype and you you don't have a problem with it? And as long as Martin gives interviews that shows his "other side" it's o.k. for him to portray She-neh-neh? So in other words if 3-6's acceptance speech had been better where people could have seen a different side, then the so-called "stereotypical" song wouldn't have upset you as much? I'm not being a smart ass, I'm really trying to get the rationale here.
Anonymous
said...
I just want to know when did black become synonomous with ignorant. Just because people don't appreciate the sometimes ignorant things that are done by certain people does not mean they are ashamed to be black. In fact they are so proud b/c black people have done so many amazing things in the world and throughout history and they are tired of those things being constantly overshadowed by ignorance. It is a sad fact that when a white person does something foolish it is seen as an isolated incident, but when a person of color does something foolish it is seen as an indication of their race as a whole. When are people going to start taking some personal responsibility for the images they represent, support, and uphold.
Anonymous
said...
^I don't necessarily disagree with you. In fact, I've said several times that when a white person does something it doesn't reflect upon their race, but when a person of color does something they somehow represent me, you and everybody else. The point I have been trying to make is this--the fact that a song or performance could possibly validate someone's assumption about an entire race is the REAL problem, not the song itself. And with that being said, I don't understand why everyone that feels it does isn't writing letters about Madea, BET, Flavor of Love and all the other stereotypical stuff we see on a daily basis. I read on another thread that if this was the BET Awards or Soul Train Awards it would have been alright. So what that says to me is that stereotypical behavior is o.k. unless it's done in front of white people and I just think that's wrong. You either support it all the way or don't support it at all--don't change just because now all of a sudden white people are going to see it.
Anonymous
said...
I DON'T THINK THAT IS THE POINT THAT IS BEING MADE, THE POINT IS WHEN YOU LOOK AT TYLER PERRY, TERRENCE HOWARD OR MARTIN FOR THAT MATTER. MADEA'S WAS SHOOTING AT PEOPLE, CUTTING THEM ETC. BUT THERE WAS ALWAYS A POSITIVE MESSAGE IN ALL OF HER FILMS AND PLAYS. MARTIN DID NOT PORTRAY SHENENEH AS A PROSTITUTE OR SLUT. SHE DID HAVE HER OWN SINCE OF STYLE BUT THAT ANOTHER DISCUSSION. YES, TERRANCE PLAYED A PIMP, BUT HE WAS ARTICULATE ENOUGH TO PRESENT AN AWARD WITHOUT SOUNDING LIKE HE DID NOT MAKE PAST FIRST GRADE. I AM SAYING ALL OF THIS TO SAY, THE FILM IS LOOKED AT AS ART, EVEN THE PERFORMANCE COULD BE LOOKED AT AS ART, BUT LET THAT BE WHERE IT ENDS. SHOW AMERICA, NOT JUST WHITE AMERICA THAT WE ARE KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT MORE THAN THE HOOD.
Anonymous
said...
They won, they were happy, I was happy, end of story. You've never won an Oscar so you don't know how you would react. Black people can't ever just be happy for one another. Oprah hates rap music but she knows the significance of this win. Will Smith doesn't like what some rappers talk about in their songs but even he talked about the significance of this win. Let's stop bashing one another and be proud. We always say that the white man does this and the white man thinks that about black people when at the end of the day we treat each other worse and criticize each other more than the "white man" does.
Anonymous
said...
This is not about the white man, this is about advancement and representation.
Anonymous
said...
i agree with NEE and JAYSMOM enough said and i am not nee!!!! just give the boys they props. they just opened the door for more hip-hop music to be on academy award worthy films and not just hood movies.
Anonymous
said...
they did good. They put their heart into their music and they won- it don't mater how much we argue or how upset all y'all get- they won they won they won. They did something that hasn't been done before and instead of tryna disrespect their success we really need to applaud them. At the end of the day there are black pimps out there- it's a reality- song or no song...and as black people we need to stop being concerned about what the 'white people' think about us- and support each other however we can. lets kick this crabs in a barrel habit we have.
Anonymous
said...
I totally disagree and that is a good thing because if we all agreed this would not be such an interesting debate. I think that you all are looking at this as we should be happy 3-6 won because they are black. But myself and others have analyzed the situation. The song does indeed fit the win, but my disappointment is that, as someone said before, we could have looked at it with an artistic point of view up until the speech. They sounded like some low budget pimps. And unfortunately that is all some races, NOT JUST WHITE, think we are. I am concerned with what white people think of my race because the own, well over 80% of the companies we all work for. I don't want the fact that I check African American on my application to hinder me from getting an interview because of "Whitey's" ignorance about the significance of my people and what they stand for. Whitey may not know that black people like me invented skyscrapers,automatic cars, washer and dryer, the golf tee and many other important things that made life alot easier. I just don't want to contribute to it being MORE difficult for us to advance. Not taking anything away from the arts. I did not care for the movie or the song, but that has nothing to do with it.
Anonymous
said...
Congrats to them for winning the award and staying humble doing it. They've been doing it for some years and they finally have made a mark in hip-hop history. Major props for that. The next thing I want to say is to the haters. First off, the academy seems to only give us an award when its something that makes us look bad. Three 6 Mafia can't help that. But most importantly, since everyone hating wants to talk about the lyrics and meaning to the song, it was made for a movie people! If any of you haters actually watched the awards, Luda gave a great intro to the group, letting everyone know that "Its Hard Out Here For A Pimp" is not and will not be the last song that talked in a manner what white, corporate amercia and hollywood might find offensive. It pertained to the movie more than the other songs nominated for their respective movies and thats why they won their award.And for the people that said they should have worn suits. They wore suits on the red carpet and actally looked really nice. Also for the people who said it's a bad look for black people, calm down it's just entertainment. Most educated people know not all blacks are pimps and hoes. Stop hating this is big for hip hop.
Anonymous
said...
^I respect your opinion--it was very well stated. But you also brought up another point I'd like to respond to. I don't work for a company because I own my own business. I graduated from college with honors and still couldn't get on with one of the companies you refer to as more than a fancified secretary. We need to stop accepting that shit as status quo and take advantage of the opportunities that are out there for us to create our own idea of what a job application and our work force should look like. I don't know if you're a man or a woman but I'm sure you have a talent or a skill that you can parlay into something that doesn't require you to always justify why you're good enough or smart enough or to be made to feel as though they're giving you a treat rather than accomplishing something you deserve if and when they ever do deem that you are in fact, qualified. Make your own way to advance--we've been fed this fairytale that they hold all the power but that's only because we often seem too afraid to flex our own muscle. That being said, everyone in this world is not alike and I actually KNOW people that talk and act like 3-6 Mafia. Every stereotype begins with something that is true in some way and the bottom line is that this is how these guys are. I'm not saying it's right or wrong but everyone can't be the articulate brother in the three-piece suit with the Harvard degree. And as much as it may pain some of us, we have to accept them for who they are too or else we're really no better than the "man". I'm not saying you have to like their music or anything else about them because they're black but just don't make them a scapegoat. This crap has been going on before 3-6 Mafia even thought about stepping on the stage at the Academy Awards.
Anonymous
said...
i think terence should have performed it, everybody told him not to perform it, but where were all these people when he took the role?
Anonymous
said...
This situation is a mess. I am glad that nee was fortunate enough to find her niche and start her own business, but in the mean time others of us are still working on that. When it is all said and done we have to start somewhere and I am sure you worked for people like the ones anon 5:25 mentioned before you did start your own. I can accept them for what they are but I get tired of that being the excuse we use everytime SAMBO gets somewhere and prove the white man right. Our country is run by an idiotic white man, and please believe, if he was an idiotic black man they would dig some reason to have him impeached. The Academy was not looking out for us. Lose Yourself won but it was not performed. So what was so meaningful about this garbage that moved them to want it performed? We can go on for days talking about this but I am personally sick of it. They won, but at what cost? WE GOT PIMPED. And they are making us feel like this is an accomplishment.
Anonymous
said...
^^^Lose yourself wasn't performed because Eminem opted out, they asked him to perform though, he just chose not to
Anonymous
said...
And why do you think he didn't? Not saying it to be sarcastic, just curious, for real.
Anonymous
said...
^^^he was on drugs and decided to take a break from showbiz there are articles about it on google. he didn't do any award shows that season
Anonymous
said...
This has been a great debate. I just have to say to Anon 12:05 that we do all have to start somewhere and I did work for one of those companies as I mentioned but I decided that I was not going to compromise myself or wait for someone else to validate my qualifications, experience, etc. before I could succeed and that I would make my OWN success. It's not a Fortune 500 Company (yet-HAHA) but I'm rich in that I don't have to answer to anyone but me and I enjoy what I do. Your Sambo comment blew me away. I guess my definition of Sambo is different from yours because to me a Sambo is someone that acts like 3-6 Mafia but then as soon as they see a white person they draw up like a snail and start with the "yassuh massah"s--not someone that stays true to themself no matter what the situation. I respect your opinion but I just think it's sad that you feel all of your people that don't speak as articulately or choose to talk about a particular subject or "act right" in front of white folks is beneath you and worthy of being called Sambo. Then on the other hand, Tiger Woods is articulate, professional, rich and successful and black folks call him Sambo too. That's the reason why we are still struggling, not only in society at large, but with ourselves. We seem to take the position that there's this ideal "black persona" and anyone that is different from what someone has taught us is "acting right" makes that person a Sambo-they're either "too black" or "too white" but never just "my brother or sister whose ideals, actions and personality is different from mine". Like I said, I respect your opinion so we'll just agree to disagree.
Anonymous
said...
Seems like no one wants to hear from anybody who doesn't wear suits, have a harvard degree, and talk 'properly.' There is more to life than having some particular degree, looking conservative and speaking a particular way. There are even things about life that the above described person would probably have no idea about. How can you go discount somebody just for how they look? Some people are saying that they must have no talent because of the way they speak. I don't know, to me, it seemed like a good song, musically, and the content of the song mirrors the content of the movie, like it's supposed to. And from what I hear, Juicy J has a lock on the music business down in Memphis, so I really don't seehow you could call him dumb or without talent. I didn't even see the show, but from what I hear three 6 mafia was happy, so they acted happy. So why not be happy for them? Maybe three 6 mafia acts the way they do because they have been taught to think poorly of themselves, and if that is true, then that is something to get mad about. But maybe they act the way they do because that is them and they DON'T see anything to be ashamed about. Maybe I am an optimist, but personally that last is what I think. So they wrote a song about pimps and hos, so who thinks that means that the only thing the african-american community has to offer is songs about pimps and hos? People complaining above, do YOU think that? And why care what some ignoramus is going to think? It's not like 'the minstrel show' is really the only image that the mainstream gets of black people anymore. There are always going to be ignorant people, and you can never convert them all. Everyone knows that the oscars are voted on by a group of old white secretive people. If you insist on caring what this group of old white secretive people think, then sure, get angry at them for their blindness to society and great actors and everything but marketing and money. But don't go get mad at three 6 mafia for doing as they always have and hate on their happy moment. That category is usually won by dumb songs anyway. At least this time there was some kind of excitement going on.
Anonymous
said...
Eminem needed to remain credible in hip hop community so he didn't go to the ceremony and to his dismay he won but now that three 6 mafia has won he'll probably feel a bit more comfortable with his oscar success...
Anonymous
said...
Em is still a piece of trash
Anonymous
said...
^^you like talking to yourself eh?
Anonymous
said...
Honestly. I'm proud of them. It wasn't nice how Rod Stewart kept laughing though. I really don't think this is going to "set us back 40 years." If Paris Hilton and Steve-O don't represent the black race, then three 6 Mafia don't either. Steve-O stripped down BUTT NAKED AND PEED ON THE RED CARPET and people are making a bigger deal out of three 6 mafia. I thought it was going to be a disaster at first, but it really wasn't that bad. The only thing I wished they did was wear something alittle more formal. They had on jeans and t shirts at a formal gathering. That's the only thing I can complain about.
Anonymous
said...
Oops. i meant to say "Paris Hilton and Steve-O don't represent the WHITE race". sorry.
Anonymous
said...
White people can get away with shit like that. It's there world. Please stop thinking that we are accepted people. THEY DON'T LIKE US!
Anonymous
said...
I don't know if the person that NEE is commenting to has responded already, but I must say this. I for one am not ashamed of Three-Six Mafia, but I am curious to know what the Academy found in this picture that was so moving. I saw it twice and I took nothing. I think the film was nominated so that the song could be nominated so that we could perform and get excited about this little gold statue. Look at the politics behind these events people.
Anonymous
said...
^I haven't seen the movie or heard the full song so I can't even begin to comment on the Academy's motives because I don't have a point of reference. I can say that I felt the same way about Monster's Ball though. And before it starts let me state clearly that I AM NOT HATING ON HALLE BERRY. All I'm saying is that there was all this hype about that movie and when I saw it I was like "is that it?". And while I thought Halle did a good job, I don't think that's the best performance I have seen from her in a movie. So I can relate to what you're saying but just like I'm still glad that Halle won even though that movie didn't really do anything for me, I'm glad these guys won too and if the nomination and win were political it wouldn't be any different than how the rest of the award shows, including those we call "our own" operate.
Anonymous
said...
They'll let anybody who can write crap have an OSCAR
All these good songs and y'all gonna give it to those pieces of shit
Excuse me while I go vomit and realize negroes,aa,niggas ain't goin nowhere-angie(negro want something better)
Anonymous
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